US Bloggers Banned from Entering UK?

Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer were banned from entering England. I’m not only supporting them because Pam threw me some solid links when I first started blogging, but I also back them based on the critical nature of their work. They write articles asking important questions:

Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer co-founded anti-Muslim group Stop Islamization of America.

They were due to speak at an English Defence League march in Woolwich, where Drummer Lee Rigby was killed.

A government spokesman said individuals whose presence “is not conducive to the public good” could be excluded by the home secretary.

He added: “We condemn all those whose behaviours and views run counter to our shared values and will not stand for extremism in any form.”

‘Right decision’

Ms Geller, of the Atlas Shrugs blog, and Mr Spencer, of Jihad Watch, are also co-founders of the American Freedom Defense Initiative, best known for a pro-Israel “Defeat Jihad” poster campaign on the New York subway.

On both of their blogs the pair called their bans from entering the UK “a striking blow against freedom” and said the “the nation that gave the world the Magna Carta is dead”.

They were due to attend a march planned by the far-right EDL to mark Armed Forces Day on 29 June, ending in Woolwich, south east London, where soldier Drummer Rigby was murdered last month.

Keith Vaz, chairman of the Home Affairs Select Committee, who had called for the bloggers to be banned from the UK, said: “I welcome the home secretary’s ban on Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer from entering the country. This is the right decision. The UK should never become a stage for inflammatory speakers who promote hate.”

EDL leader Tommy Robinson, meanwhile, criticised the decision and said Ms Geller and Mr Spencer were coming to the UK to lay flowers at the place where Drummer Rigby died.

“It’s embarrassing for this so-called land of democracy and freedom of speech,” he said.

“How many hate preachers are living in this country? It just shows what sort of a two-tier system we have here.”

Matthew Collins, a rep from an org called Hope Not Hate, said he was delighted with the decision. Wonder how Matt feels about Anjem Choudary.

19 thoughts on “US Bloggers Banned from Entering UK?

  1. Have we lost England? They don’t have our Declaration of Independence, Constitution and more importantly the Bill of Rights but they are the greatest country on the planet before us and land of the Magna Carta from which our founding documents originate. Very odd, especially since Britain is quite emphatic about freedom of speech in so many other ways….is this a ‘dhimmi’ attitude and fear based?….k

  2. Kristen, The EDL have to be starved of oxygen as they share a parallel platform equal to that of the modern day Nazi skinheads, who parade their loathsome ideals as a badge of honour. Deutsch Nazi Skinheads://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTBiQLoC_HIi-R09v-of1nvgDNq7-e-2n2ag82iXIpbslhqv9Sv

    The EDL are nothing more than racist thugs who attend rallies around the country in the hope it will create violence against Muslims. You will also find the same thugs at football matches at weekends. English EDL Skinheads http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20120208/s.alambaigi20120208100606560.jpg

    We are still a Democratic Society, and we do promote Freedom of Speech, we do not tolerate hate and race crimes, especially from those who hide behind the flag of St. George.
    Let me see and hear EDL leader Tommy Robinson, stand by himself on a soap box at Speakers Corner, Hyde Park, and then I may listen to his nonsense. I like millions of others here in the UK will not tolerate his cowardly behaviour, especially when he hides behind his thugs to rant and spit his bile in public. The same goes for the British Nationalist Party (BNP), who are equally as loathsome as the EDL. And who are equally despised by millions of decent English people.

    The United Kingdom Independent Party (UKIP) are a democratically elected party who fight the decent fight, using the pen, not the sword, which is what the Houses Of Parliament, and our Democratic society has stood for since the middle ages, (approximately 1045). Personally I support UKIP, I would also accept a political party should it be named ‘For the Love of England’ as long as the decent people of England supported it for its values, keeping England, English.

    For those who want England as an Islamic Nation, I say this “Go to hell! Or go to a country that supports your religion, and arm your self well if you think England is for the taking”. My true belief is that the next war in Europe will be a Crusaders war, and I will stand for as long as I draw breath, countless millions of English people will do the same.

    I have a copy of Gert Wilders book, ‘Marked for Death’, I fully understand and endorse his sentiment.

    Yes, I am bloody angry… But with the pen, for now, not the sword.

    Yours Aye.

        • I don’t know about the rhetoric, Ex Bootneck, here in the United States, being on the right isn’t being a Neo-Nazi…the Neo-Nazi is a leftist and the entire designation is a misnomer, characterized by the left to shift responsibility from itself and blame the right for what it’s own movement actually does..historically, being a conservative isn’t being an Islamist or a Nazi because at the end of the day, the left is occupied by socialists, statists, Marxists, communists and other totalitarians….the original and true meaning of the term liberal was those original Founding Fathers of America…the American left stole the term and redefined what it really meant ….and if you are aware of any history in the US, you should know that there is no such thing as a conservative Nazi or skinhead because of their own stated violence and leftism promotes it the Occupy movement is much akin to Nazis and Skinheads than conservatism is, at least in this country….it’s impossible; that’s the left in this country confusing and deflecting blame and definitions from themselves…that’s the lie they are…my suggestion, if you’re interested in reading such things, find Jonah Goldberg’s book from a few years ago entitled ‘Liberal Fascism’….he defines exactly what Italian Fascism and German National Socialism actually were: leftist movements that continue to be mischaracterized by the left to prevent anyone from accurately defining them…..conservatives are not by nature violent; they eschew such things; they want smaller government; that’s the the major hallmark of American conservatives and the Tea Party for that matter….I know Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer and they would never align themselves with violence…it’s the truth they’re looking for…k

          • Kristen, sadly there are cultural differences that a lot of people in the US misjudge, when we refer to the ‘ultra right wing’ groups here in the UK and Europe.
            The same groups state openly; “we are not quite socialist or fascist, it is a part of a tradition from our past, we are involved in nationalism, xenophobic populism, and authoritarianism”! This is reflected in their right wing thoughts, endorsed through their literature and propaganda Smoke and mirrors to confuse those trying to catergorise them!

            Sensible people such as Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer would run a mile if they knew the truth and background of the EDL’s ‘leaders’. My belief is that they have mis-judged the EDL completely, and through this, they have marked themselves in the eye of the general public.

            Such groups as the EDL, BNP, and NF, are on a level line with white supremacist organisations. These groups adopt the ‘ball of confusion’ to avoid being categorized, they also hang their hat on the same peg as genuine supporters of the belief that England is for the English

            British left wing ‘PC’ Journalists and politicians in their over zealous manner would have a field day tearing into Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer, in an effort to reduce their credibility within the MSM here in the UK and Europe.
            I am in no doubt that they would articulate their position magnificently, but in a foreign land in front of a foreign left wing press, the deck is stacked against them. They would also have to endure a huge ‘anti-fascist’ rally that would normally be organised and attended by the ill disposed of the anarchist lobby.

            I, like many others, are appalled that they have been blocked from entering into the UK. So much so that yesterday I wrote to my local MP, and voiced my concern over what I see as a direct attempt to block free speech by left wing socialist politicians; the same who rely heavily on the Islamic vote within their constituency to keep them in Parliament.

            Politics at play once again, which will back fire on to those sitting on the left wing…

            Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer should keep their powder dry for the time being; their time will come over here, and I believe they will impact at the correct level on the correct platform.

            Aye.

  3. EB: Interesting that the EDL is bunch of punks. I had hoped there was some Charlemagne with them. Good to know. . .
    Kris: Agree with your take on Pam and Robert.

    • NavyOne, the biggest punk Tommy Robinson, was arrested this early afternoon for violating the terms placed against his routed march. The fund raising walk he organised has also been ridiculed as the charity involved wants no part of it.

      The same goes for the families of Drummer Lee Rigby, as well as the organisers of Armed Forces Day; the message is clear, stay away, your presence is not required.

      If they really want to make a difference, any of them, then sign on the dotted line, and do it for Queen and Country; not interested? Thought not!

      Aye.

      • The characterization, as you have stated, Ex Bootneck is incorrect from the American standpoint and doesn’t exist as it seems to in Britain…as I stated before Neo-Nazi type groups mischaracterize themselves on purpose and if they maintain a violent attitude and behavior, they are leftist/ statists here in the US; if there are a few right wing fanatical type groups as you describe, I wouldn’t know who they were….the leftists here in America describe the right as extreme by lying and presenting a distorted view to scare the low information types who exist in the public arena…the Tea Party has been presented as extreme, violent and crazy by our leftist media friends and the Occupy Wall Street crowd as a favorable alternative…the exact opposite is of course, true…and over the past year or so, we’ve seen the differences and the lies the MSM has told to support the criminal activities of Occupy Wall Street (444 criminal complaints, 0 – zero for the Tea Party); and of course the Tea Party has been accused of racism by our so reliable media with no proof whatsoever; there are those of the Tea Party who would welcome a fine upstanding conservative like your Daniel Hannan into their midst being the fiscal conservatives they are…I secretly wished at one time he could run for political office in the US as did many when we first heard of him…we have so many of both political persuasions who are so completely unfit for holding any public office whatsoever and deserve nothing more than being booted out on their collective backsides…thanks for the education, EB….k

  4. I will agree with Kris and say that the EDL is not characterized as they are. Their press is fairly good over here in the States. Glad to know who Tommy and the boys really are.

    • NavyOne, Kristen, I implore you to please go to Tommy Robinson’s Wiki page, I will vouch for its accuracy, even though the detailed information is lightly reported in his favour. The reality of it all is that he and the EDL are nothing more than rotten thugs who seek to clean up their own dirty image by using credible platforms, i.e. collecting for help for heroes, walking to aid sick children, supporting the armed forces etc…

      It beggars belief and turns my stomach at what I have just read on the ‘bare naked Islam’ blog. Utter propaganda and pure bull shit from some one wearing blinkers several thousand miles away!

      Had the great and wonderous Tommy R committed the same offences in the US, that he so happily does over here, he would now be serving a very long stretch in one of your prisons (drugs, violent assault, intimidation)!

      We look on in disbelief at the nievity of some of the bloggers in the US who praise the EDL, whose credibility and standing has been destroyed by their misguided support.

      The area of Tower Hamlets in London is a powder keg, with numerous black gangs of different religions; the EDL are the naked light that have tried to iniate the fuse within TH several times.

      I have so much more to say, but a tired brain is slowing me down, as is typing with one finger on my iPad, as I lean on one elbow in bed… G’Night good people, please spread the real word about the scum who are the EDL. Aye.

        • Have to agree with Navy One, Ex Bootneck…with your guidance, this puts a new and much needed light on ‘Tommy Robinson’….most of us here would disagree with the left who supports Islamic rhetoric just because of what it is based on…it appears that Tommy Robinson is the true definition of a ‘right-wing’ ideologue…we may have them here in the US but not by your definition…perhaps these things require more clarification or maybe not….now I’m confused…there are nuances that remain a blur, undefined and psychologically deceptive …I see your point, however…and the reasons could be due to the ambivalence of how our respective countries were defined at their founding…we tend to look at the differences in two ways with our two party political system…you have many more political definitions at your disposal with just as many parties…perhaps that is how I perceived it from the start….I now can appreciate what you’ve stated about this man and his own deceptions….as I said earlier, thank you for that education….I did scan the Wiki entry….and you are correct in your own assessment…after all, you’re there, we’re not….k

  5. I find these hard to believe. How does one get banned preemptively unless a visa is required for entry? Do you show up in Portsmouth or Heathrow, go through immigration and then get tossed out of the country? It sounds like a stunt.

    • Curtis, a Visa is required for entry; the UK Government cross references its Visa lists with the US, Europe, as well as every major Western nation, and vice a versa.

      Aye.

        • NavyOne, Kristen; Theresa May, the Home Secretary has more than a touch of Margaret Thatcher about her, people outside of politics may well underestimate her resolve; but those within do not, hence the tittle tattle attacks upon her, and her office, which is water off a ducks back (thats a tip from the top)!

          Having read the drivel and misguided propaganda spread over the pages of ‘bare naked islam’ I will guarantee that those responsible for the blog would also see their Visa applications blocked.

          Having worked within the ‘system’ I fully understand the procedure surrounding it. What most people do not realise is that in the majority of cases, ‘heads up’ information on certain characters applying for a Visa, is actually passed forward from their own Government to the point of destination in the way of a ‘short form request to block’. The UK and European Governments respond in kind, when we wish certain characters blocking from International travel.

          The great majority of the time it is not the receiving country that has the issue, but the sender of origin!

          “When you go to a public toilet to pee, look down at your own shoes, and not those next to you, that way you know what you are doing, and where it is going”…

          Yours Aye.

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